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RachelTan PJNet Starter


Joined: Jun 27, 2009 Posts: 77 Location: Petaling Jaya
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 10:54 am Post subject: forex versus share trading? |
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| has anyone been buying shares here? or is everyone more interested in forex? have u all make money in forex? I kena burn a bit in the share and didnt average out when it got low, so still deficit portfolio. thinking of just leaving it as it is.. what do u all think of the market trend now? |
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MelvinGoh PJNet Senior


Joined: Dec 22, 2008 Posts: 2029 Location: Globetrotting
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Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2009 4:46 pm Post subject: |
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| you never read all my posts ah?i've been trading currencies for the past decade la.i eat rice or i eat broth all solely and purely depends on currency trading la.even the roof over my head also depends on it ma.just go into it la.guaranteed profits unless you're greedy ma.ha. |
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RachelTan PJNet Starter


Joined: Jun 27, 2009 Posts: 77 Location: Petaling Jaya
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:06 am Post subject: |
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| how much u can make every mth wor. some day loses u cap max how much wor |
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yipck2003 PJNet Senior


Joined: Jun 30, 2005 Posts: 1439
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 11:33 pm Post subject: |
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| RachelTan wrote: | | how much u can make every mth wor. some day loses u cap max how much wor |
Rachel Rachel.
Don't go into share market via broker directly.
1. You pay broker fees when buy/exit.
2. You can only trade the shares
3. You buy at full price.
Go to Margin trade /CFD (automatically via software from banks).
1. You only pay comms when u buy.
2. You can trade shares / KLSE Index (not sure its applicable in Malaysia for Index).
3. You only pay margin price.. and not full price. Your risk is lower and the ROI is higher.
In Singapore, u can buy/short the shares through CFD. You can buy/short the Singapore Index STI.
Your margin only 10% or 1% of the retail unit price. For example a Singapore Airline shares is $13.50. means $13,500. but with CFD, you only pay $135 as margin.
If you enter "Buy". goes up 0.20 cents to 13.50, you are earning $20.00 if it goes down $20.00 you are losing -$20.00.
If you enter "Sell", it goes down 0.20 cents to 13.30, you are earning $20.00. If it goes up to $13.70 you are losing $20.00.
You can put a stop loss if the price goes reverse your entry.
$20/135=14.8% ROI.
Compare with buying shares from broker counter..
13.50 goes up to 13.70 means profit of $200.
$200/13500=1.48%.
If you have $13500. you can own many units at $135 and make more than in Broker counter.
The same principle applies to Forex. |
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MelvinGoh PJNet Senior


Joined: Dec 22, 2008 Posts: 2029 Location: Globetrotting
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:25 am Post subject: |
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| honestly speaking i never lost because i can't afford to lose.if i lose then everything i have will definitely go up in smoke.that's how i treat forex trading.it's an investment to me.do you understand?ha. |
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RachelTan PJNet Starter


Joined: Jun 27, 2009 Posts: 77 Location: Petaling Jaya
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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| gee thanx for the informative and useful feedback yipck!! Melvin, you must be very acurate in your judgement then if u never lose wor. u mean never lose for the day? or on the whole so far? do u trade alone or with a team to discuss |
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MelvinGoh PJNet Senior


Joined: Dec 22, 2008 Posts: 2029 Location: Globetrotting
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| i never said i never lost in a day la.what i meant was i never saw my auntie came by the end of every calendar month ma.cannot comprehend ah?ha.if i ever do lose then i ask my guru to take over.that's why i still got roof over my head for the past decade until now la.yes my guru has an excellent team of super traders under him.all also big timers la.they trade contractually for global private and institutional clients.so i just tumpang glamour la.ha. |
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ilovemyfish PJNet Junior


Joined: Jan 04, 2009 Posts: 585
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:51 am Post subject: |
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Well, i have stopped all my investment in the share market and transfer all of them into forex now, the return is so far so good, got lose a bit here and there but manage to recover it and make a little by every end of the month lah...
just remember, we have 30 days every month and 12 months for every calender year, there are just plenty of time for us to practise and make money at the same time. Just don't be greedy and stay cool always. Make sure you do your studies well and be patient in the process of waiting... enjoy and good luck  _________________ ~do the right thing, at the right place, and the right time~ |
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MelvinGoh PJNet Senior


Joined: Dec 22, 2008 Posts: 2029 Location: Globetrotting
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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:32 pm Post subject: |
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| kamikaze style committing suicide ah?ha. |
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yipck2003 PJNet Senior


Joined: Jun 30, 2005 Posts: 1439
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:41 am Post subject: |
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Taken from the website:
http://www.streetdirectory.com/travel_guide/144324/trading/your_mother_was_wrong_about_stock_options.html
Your Mother Was Wrong About Stock Options
If you ask your mother about stock options, she will tellyou that they are too risky for you to play with. Aswonderful as she may be, in this particular case, motherdoes not know best.
Exchange traded options came into being for the purpose ofreducing investors' risk in owning or acquiring stock. Evenmother owns shares of some venerable old companies. Whatmom may not realize is that even her portfolio of blue chipstocks is subject to market losses.
STOCK OWNERSHIP INVOLVES RISK
A stock investor is always at risk of losing significantamounts of capital. Diversification can help offset some ofthe risk, but even diversified mutual fund holdings are notimmune from market declines, such as those seen in2000-2002.
A traditional stock investor can only protect theirholdings by divesting themselves of their investments. Inother words, a stock investor must sell some or all of herstock portfolio to reduce market risk. Stop loss orders aresometimes used to exit positions that decline in value, butsuch orders cannot guarantee an exit point.
OPTIONS USED TO REDUCE MARKET RISK
Stock options are either "call" options or "put" options. A"call" option is a standardized contractual agreement thatgives the buyer of the option the right to buy 100 sharesof stock at a specified "strike" price on or before aspecified "expiration" date. A "put" option gives theoption buyer the right to sell 100 shares of stock at aspecified price on or before a specified "expiration" date.
Options may also be sold short, in which case the seller ofa call option has the obligation of delivering the sharesof stock and the seller of a put option has the obligationof purchasing shares of stock. Because you are incurring anobligation when you sell an option contract, youpotentially incur substantial risk.
An investor or trader in securities can use options tocontrol stock, without actually taking ownership of thestock. Options can also be used to protect stock holdingsfrom loss, speculate in the market, generate recurringincome, and to enhance the overall return of stockholdings. All of these things are possible without exposingyourself to undue risk.
USING CALL OPTIONS INSTEAD OF BUYING STOCK
If you believe that a company's stock is poised toappreciate and it is currently trading at $30.00 per share,you can purchase 100 shares of the stock for $3,000.00.Your maximum risk on the trade is $3,000 and your upsidepotential is virtually unlimited.
Alternatively, you could purchase a call option for afraction of what the underlying stock might cost. As theowner of a call option you would have the right to buy theunderlying stock at a pre-defined "strike" price. Insteadof paying $30 per share, you might only pay $2.00, perhapsless, for a call option that gives you the right to buy thestock at $30 per share.
Buying the call option for $2 per share allows you tocontrol 100 shares of stock until the option expires.Assume that the stock behaves as expected and itappreciates to $40 per share. If you had bought the stock,you could now sell it and realize a $10 per share profit.This represents a gain of 33% on the capital invested,which is a very good return.
Our call option has also appreciated in value because wehave the right to buy the stock at $30 per share eventhough it is now trading at $40 per share. We paid $2 forthe call and it is now worth at least $10, representing aminimum profit of $8 or a return of 400%!
Stocks do not always behave as we expect, however. Let usassume that instead of rising in value the stock dropped inprice and now trades at $25.00 per share. If we bought thestock, we would have seen our position drop in value by $5per share. When we bought the call option, we limited ourrisk of loss to our purchase price so our maximum loss is$2 per share.
Call options are ideally suited for use when you expect astock to make a significant move in the market. The use ofa call option allows you to commit a relatively smallamount of capital to control stock for a set period oftime. If you are correct in your expectations of stockmovement, you can capture the positive price movementwithout exposing your capital to the additional market riskinvolved in a stock purchase.
USING PUT OPTIONS TO PROTECT YOUR STOCK HOLDINGS
I own a house. Every year I purchase an insurance policy toprotect against unexpected damage or total loss of thehouse. My expectation and hope is that I will never haveneed for the benefits afforded under the policy, but I paythe premiums nonetheless.
Just as you would insure your house by buying an insurancepolicy, you can buy a put option to insure your stockpositions against unexpected loss. When you buy a putoption, you have the right to sell your stock at a definedprice for a defined period of time. If your stock holdingsfall in value, a put option will permit you to sell thosedepressed holdings at the pre-defined strike price.
PROFITING WITH PUT OPTIONS
Put options can also be used to profit from anticipatedmarket declines. You can buy a put option in expectation ofa stock falling in value. By buying a put option, you areonly required to pay the cost of the option. There is nomargin requirement. Your risk is limited to the amount youpaid for the put.
Assume your stock dropped from $40 to $30, and you had paid$1.50 per share for a put option with a $40 strike price.Your maximum risk on the trade would be the $1.50 you paidfor the put option. That put option would now be worth atleast $10, since you have the right to sell a $30 stock for$40 per share. Your profit would be a minimum of $8.50,which represents a 560% profit.
Conversely, assume the stock gapped up at the market opento $45 per share. Your risk on the put option is limited tothe $1.50 per share that you paid, while the short-stocktrader has incurred a $5.00 per share loss.
MORE LIMITED RISK OPPORTUNITIES
This article is by no means a comprehensive exploration ofoptions. We have highlighted a few low risk, simplestrategies to highlight how options might be used in yourportfolio to protect your current stock holdings and engagein limited risk trading scenarios.
Options provide an opportunity to protect positions againstloss and also enhance returns. Anyone investing in themarket today, or who is considering such investmentsFind Article, woulddo well to educate themselves about the benefits offered byoptions. |
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MelvinGoh PJNet Senior


Joined: Dec 22, 2008 Posts: 2029 Location: Globetrotting
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 4:54 am Post subject: |
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wa.see until eyes also blur la.just go into forex trading better la.ha. _________________ Everyone Can Make Money Just By Trading Currencies |
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RachelTan PJNet Starter


Joined: Jun 27, 2009 Posts: 77 Location: Petaling Jaya
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 10:18 am Post subject: |
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| oo wow, thanxx for taking the time and trouble to type so looooong for our knowledge. is stock option like forex is it? forex also can limit the losses all that? |
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yipck2003 PJNet Senior


Joined: Jun 30, 2005 Posts: 1439
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 2:17 pm Post subject: |
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| RachelTan wrote: | | oo wow, thanxx for taking the time and trouble to type so looooong for our knowledge. is stock option like forex is it? forex also can limit the losses all that? |
Actually yesterday i learn from Robert Kiyosaki video on how to use share like property rental.. really blow my mind that such thing is possible.
If you own the shares, u can sell options to trades and put a 30days or 60days expired date and most of the time traders will fail to hit hte price of agreed and u can collect the options money the traders put as collaterals.
Hences when u hold the shares, ur earning monthly income on options. |
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MelvinGoh PJNet Senior


Joined: Dec 22, 2008 Posts: 2029 Location: Globetrotting
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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 3:50 pm Post subject: |
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and when you trade forex you can open a position and hold until the cows come home.lagi best la like this.ha. _________________ Everyone Can Make Money Just By Trading Currencies |
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yipck2003 PJNet Senior


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Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2009 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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| RachelTan wrote: | | oo wow, thanxx for taking the time and trouble to type so looooong for our knowledge. is stock option like forex is it? forex also can limit the losses all that? |
CFD, ETF, Options, Futures, Forex, all can put put stop losses.
For Share Options. When u enter a position, you are paying only a premium, aka insurance for the contract of a period of time.
example:
Share A is 10.00. to buy in share means $10k.
U expect the shares to go up to $12.00.
When u enter a shares through options, you are borrowing the share from the owner and deposit $1k as collateral and tell the owner 30days later will pay him at $10,000.00.
If the shares hit $11.00, u are only recovering your premium of $1k.
When 30days is up, you will pay the owner $10,000 and sell to market at $11.00.
If the shares hit $12.00, u are recovering your premium and u earn $1k.
When 30days is up, you will pay the owner $10,000 and sell to market at $12.00
If the shares drop to $7.00 by end of 30days, you only lost the $1k premium as you walk away from the agreed price of $10.00 instead of losing $3k or more..
The owner of the shares takes the $1000 which put as collateral and still keep his/her share.
so if the price is $7.00, the owner again put in options. Another trader will offer to buy at $7.00 and put $1 as collateral where the trader will pay 30days later. and the process repeat again.
The owner of the share earns $1k every 30 days until someone took over the actual shares.
This kind of transaction is called Derivatives.
U own a products and you generate money from thin air and still owns the product is called Derivatives.
Many professional investor/insurance agent/broker etc try to put the confusing word on "Derivatives" to made us look stupid and to made the look pro.
So becareful when investing in Mutual Fund, stocks, etc as there are lots of ppl try to earn your hard earn money. |
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