Joined: Mar 09, 2007 Posts: 2728 Location: Lama Monastery
Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 11:20 pm Post subject:
I don't know what is the point of having this kinda book. Besides, it just remind me of a Spiderman 3 scenes with his own alter ego. I think the best way to start or prolong a relationship is being yourself. Here's 2 quotes that I find pretty much solving all my relationship problems:
“Wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are”
"I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not.” ~ Kurt Cobain (of course later he'd kill himself).
And then there's another one (I don't remember from which movie), that says about letting someone go and if he/she comes back, that's true love. Yeah, I guess it's Forrest Gump.
Joined: Mar 09, 2007 Posts: 2728 Location: Lama Monastery
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:41 pm Post subject:
denifish wrote:
Hi Pencapchew,
Are you a nice guy who has failed in relationship before?
If not, then you don't know anything about it...
If who I am is an alcoholic or drug addict would you say the same?
Please.. just be an alcoholic... don't change yourself...
I failed once but I don't think Ima nice guy.
If you're alcoholic, a drug addict or even a puppy shover that doesn't affect me at all. I believe in personal choice and free will than some priests or monks out there telling people how they should behave.
Don't get me wrong, I just saying that me, myself don't need that book (and some personal opinions). Maybe others may find it relevant or something.
Yes Pencapchew,
It matters to me. I realized i have a problem and I intend to fix it.
Like if you're driving a car and you realized that your tire was flat.
You can not just pretend that it's not flat and just drive on.
You need to fix that tire.
I need to fix my flat tires so I can get on with my life better.
Hi Pencapchew,
Are you a nice guy who has failed in relationship before?
If not, then you don't know anything about it...
If who I am is an alcoholic or drug addict would you say the same?
Please.. just be an alcoholic... don't change yourself...
I failed once but I don't think Ima nice guy.
If you're alcoholic, a drug addict or even a puppy shover that doesn't affect me at all. I believe in personal choice and free will than some priests or monks out there telling people how they should behave.
Don't get me wrong, I just saying that me, myself don't need that book (and some personal opinions). Maybe others may find it relevant or something.
I disagree.
Free will does not mean that one person can do anything he/she wants, like an alcoholic or puppy shover. Instead, free will is not being conquered by this any type of addiction. Especially the destructive types, like drugs and alcohol, or sex(STD).
A person has the right to make a choice, but if that person keeps making the wrong choice for oneself, eg drugs, alcohol, is that really making a choice? or just that he/she is a slave to that choice? Addiction is never a choice, its slavery. A person is only truely free when he/she is not bound to any of these.
From my experience, priest and monks dont tell people how to behave, but they teach people how to live a good life, which is not to fall into addictions that will destroy your life or others. And then people can gain and really experience true freedom.
Im not trying to be smart, or to show off that im holy, and Im neither a priest nor a monk. I just feel that I should protect the good image of priests and monks. I know there are con ones, but there are also true ones, where they gave up their layman life to serve and to teach people true knowledge. So therefore I just hope that u wont get offended that I say priest and monks deserves the respect. Please dont take them for granted, or make a bad impression out of them.
I read through all your posts and i don't seem to get wut you mean by being a nice guy and how you failed in your relationshio due to it. Of course i havent; red the book as you suggest and please further elaborate wut happened to you and how being 'nice' failed you. Cheers .
Joined: Mar 09, 2007 Posts: 2728 Location: Lama Monastery
Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2008 10:49 pm Post subject:
archangel wrote:
I disagree.
Free will does not mean that one person can do anything he/she wants, like an alcoholic or puppy shover. Instead, free will is not being conquered by this any type of addiction. Especially the destructive types, like drugs and alcohol, or sex(STD).
Your freedom is that of no longer a free will. People has their own minds and experiences. Destructive or non-destructive, they can judge for themselves. If they need someone that is higher or in a position of authoritarian to tell them how to behave, that's not freedom. And an addiction is a complete different context from free will.
archangel wrote:
A person has the right to make a choice, but if that person keeps making the wrong choice for oneself, eg drugs, alcohol, is that really making a choice? or just that he/she is a slave to that choice? Addiction is never a choice, its slavery. A person is only truely free when he/she is not bound to any of these.
Once again i wanna say that, if that person's making a wrong choice... and it has become an addiction. How can u judge if that person is not willingly addicted to that particular shit? That's still free will...he's still doing something which it's personally fucking him up. So has he become a slave or something? or has he have to be commanded by some authorities to choose the path? Being commanded and being himself? which is free will?
archangel wrote:
From my experience, priest and monks dont tell people how to behave, but they teach people how to live a good life, which is not to fall into addictions that will destroy your life or others. And then people can gain and really experience true freedom.
Im not trying to be smart, or to show off that im holy, and Im neither a priest nor a monk. I just feel that I should protect the good image of priests and monks. I know there are con ones, but there are also true ones, where they gave up their layman life to serve and to teach people true knowledge. So therefore I just hope that u wont get offended that I say priest and monks deserves the respect. Please dont take them for granted, or make a bad impression out of them.
From my experience tho, tons of priest and monks trying to brainwash the children since the elementary.
Your freedom is that of no longer a free will. People has their own minds and experiences. Destructive or non-destructive, they can judge for themselves. If they need someone that is higher or in a position of authoritarian to tell them how to behave, that's not freedom. And an addiction is a complete different context from free will.
Who u are refering to when u say 'someone that is higher or in a position of authoritarian'? Priests? Monks? God? Lets take drugs for example: Even if this 'position of authoritarian' person tells u not to take drugs, its STILL YOUR decision whether to follow or not.Is there somebody that can force u to stop? or presure u? or treaten u? no, but only can ASK u to stop doing it. n tht is for what reasons? for ur own good. This is where ur freedom comes in, where u decide whats best for urself. BUT, if u still chose to continue with ur drugs, Y? simply bcuz, its the drugs tht is forcing u, presuring u, n threatening u by giving u the ADDICTION. even an animal treasures its own life, n u r saying paying all ur cash to drug dealers while u continue 2 get manipulated by their drugs so u continue to pay them cash while killing ur ownself slowly is true freedom?
pencapchew wrote:
How can u judge if that person is not willingly addicted to that particular shit?
Will like to ask u, if ur son is drug addict, r u going to say the same thing: he is willingly addicted to that particular shit? mayb u dont have a son n u will just say, 'yeah, if i hv a son i will let him do whatever, including doing drugs as long as he is happy'. But i can tell u, no parent is willing to do tht unless the parent themselves are psychos. Y? simple: bcuz if a son is doing drugs n eventually died, the parent will be crying out: 'Y cant i have the FREEDOM to have a son like others do?'. u r taking away other people's freedom by killing ur ownself, n u call that freedom? i call that self-centered!
pencapchew wrote:
From my experience tho, tons of priest and monks trying to brainwash the children since the elementary.
this may have happen, but it seems like u left out those priests n monks who took care of orphans, poor n the sick.
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Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2008 11:35 am Post subject:
archangel wrote:
Who u are refering to when u say 'someone that is higher or in a position of authoritarian'? Priests? Monks? God? Lets take drugs for example: Even if this 'position of authoritarian' person tells u not to take drugs, its STILL YOUR decision whether to follow or not.Is there somebody that can force u to stop? or presure u? or treaten u? no, but only can ASK u to stop doing it. n tht is for what reasons? for ur own good. This is where ur freedom comes in, where u decide whats best for urself. BUT, if u still chose to continue with ur drugs, Y? simply bcuz, its the drugs tht is forcing u, presuring u, n threatening u by giving u the ADDICTION. even an animal treasures its own life, n u r saying paying all ur cash to drug dealers while u continue 2 get manipulated by their drugs so u continue to pay them cash while killing ur ownself slowly is true freedom?
How do u ask them to stop? How do you know that your voice will be heard? It's a simple "NO". But these so called priests, monks and the god who thought they are all powerful and sort can cure this earth out of diseases is absolute false. I believe in rehabilitation centre and counselling. Not some religious authority to inflict fear to these ppl and causing not just psychology breakdown, but mentally disturbed with all the images of hell, demons, satans and bunch of bullshit.
archangel wrote:
Will like to ask u, if ur son is drug addict, r u going to say the same thing: he is willingly addicted to that particular shit? mayb u dont have a son n u will just say, 'yeah, if i hv a son i will let him do whatever, including doing drugs as long as he is happy'. But i can tell u, no parent is willing to do tht unless the parent themselves are psychos. Y? simple: bcuz if a son is doing drugs n eventually died, the parent will be crying out: 'Y cant i have the FREEDOM to have a son like others do?'. u r taking away other people's freedom by killing ur ownself, n u call that freedom? i call that self-centered!.
If i have a son and he happens to be a drug addict, he will still go to the rehab or counselling. And I don't really accept if someone who is already an addict has absolutely zero conciousness about doing something which is bad for himself.
archangel wrote:
this may have happen, but it seems like u left out those priests n monks who took care of orphans, poor n the sick.
So do we qualified and labelled ourselves as priests or monks because there's tons of non-profit organisations out there whos doing the same thing. If it's religious motivated then they are still brainwashing the orphans, poor n the sick.
How do u ask them to stop? How do you know that your voice will be heard? It's a simple "NO". But these so called priests, monks and the god who thought they are all powerful and sort can cure this earth out of diseases is absolute false. I believe in rehabilitation centre and counselling. Not some religious authority to inflict fear to these ppl and causing not just psychology breakdown, but mentally disturbed with all the images of hell, demons, satans and bunch of bullshit.
How to ask them to stop is another challenge for all of us, also a responsibility too. My point was, it is not right to say taking drugs is freedom.
If a religious inflict fear to a drug addict, it is a wrong approach. I do came across ppl who told this to me before: "If u dont believe in God, u will go to hell." This is wrong. if u want someone to believe in God, u must show a good example by living your life right, or do something good like try to help an addict to stop. But hey, but these people who approaches me r not monks or priest! dont look like one either. i have never came across any priest or monks described by u.
There are many rehabilitation centres formed by churches and temples, priests and monks. On top of that, they also provide counselling, and its not like those 'u go to hell if you continue your drugs' stuff, its professional counselling. Therefore, I hope u change ur perception on religious people. Like I said before, some are bad ones, but not all. Dont just let a small group of bad ones spoil all the many other good ones.
I was wondering why u keep saying religious as 'authority'? In buddism, hinduism n christianity, no monks or priest carries guns or bombs, so where they have authority? If u wanna be a free thinker, any priest or monk points a gun at ur head? I think maybe it was this type of perception u have against the them, is keeping u from accepting them (i mean the good ones).
pencapchew wrote:
If i have a son and he happens to be a drug addict, he will still go to the rehab or counselling. And I don't really accept if someone who is already an addict has absolutely zero conciousness about doing something which is bad for himself.
Do u know that, its the religious who actually accepts people who are rejected in society and even by their own family? Im not blamming anyone here, it is tough to accept someone who is totally useless. But, i can tell u, by wonders, the religious never gave up on people whom the their kins may have already are.
pencapchew wrote:
So do we qualified and labelled ourselves as priests or monks because there's tons of non-profit organisations out there whos doing the same thing.
of course there are npos who does the same thing, priest and monks cant cover the whole world! and vice versa. and for priests and monks, they gave up their normal life for the works of God and good will. U will be qualified as one if u do the same.
pencapchew wrote:
If it's religious motivated then they are still brainwashing the orphans, poor n the sick.
This is pure ridiculous. If I have brainwashing power, i want to brainwash the rich, so they will give me all their wealth. I mean, who on earth wants to brainwash orphans, sick, and poor??? what do they get from them???? Think 1st before u point your finger!
There are many with full of love and goodness. Please, stop accusing them.
Joined: Mar 09, 2007 Posts: 2728 Location: Lama Monastery
Posted: Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:44 pm Post subject:
I don't feel any love in religion. And i think it's a major threat to the world too. Maybe you should expand your thoughts and read some books by Richard Dawkins or "1984". Maybe one of those day, you'll ask me to read a bible, then I'll open this website www.skepticsannotatedbible.com.
ps: I don't feel like replying to all these anymore because it has gone circular.
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