racial discrimination

beechuen · PJNet Starter Joined: Feb 11, 2008 Posts: 142

Hard2 survive in KL since all the expenses is rise up...except the salary.... :cry:

terry270383 · PJNet Starter Joined: Jun 24, 2008 Posts: 71

super agree!!!!!! Crying or Very sad

jusco · Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 4:21 pm Post subject:

RAcist or not, it depends on the indi... some of us can get a long easily.. while others cant... just like oil and water...

on the room renting part... soem prefer to have certain race or religion is mainly of food concern,,,,cooking utensil..
if a chinese used it to cook pork.. no muslim will use it after that... it will casued problem later.... Crying or Very sad

kusing · PJNet Newbie Joined: Sep 03, 2008 Posts: 19

couldnt agree more with jasmine..had the same experience though.. Crying or Very sad

if there is any restriction the housemate/owner should inform the applicants.if they are agreed to the t and c,it wont bring harm to any party,.. Cool

the factors like cant pay rent on time and cleanliness doesnt associates with religion,it comes from ones self attitude..my housemates is a chinese and so far we dont have any trouble staying under on roof.but still i feel that they prefer chinese more than me...hope colour wont play a big role wen its 2020 Very Happy

chitra · PJNet Newbie Joined: May 09, 2008 Posts: 5

Yes I do believe having a preference is discrimination. You are consciously selecting something or someone because that is the only thing you want to experience. What is sad is that, although everyone has the perogotive to do so, in a country like Malaysia we have not come to the intellectual evolution that everyone is a person deep down inside. Just because one Muslim is against pork being cooked in the house doesn't mean all of them will. BE OPEN people. Learn to select individual personalities over "ethnic personalities".

Truth be told this country has a lot of maturing to do. All those who're against racial separation I agree. As for language preferance, that's just BULLSHIT! You live in Malaysia, you should be able to speak either Malay or English. Superficial excuses do not cover up deep seated racism.

adrian_1981 · PJNet Starter Joined: Jul 06, 2008 Posts: 41

I prefer to rent it to Expat than local ..
I have a condominium in Ampang .. and I rent it to one of the korean family .. they paid the rental on time (IN advance) , they take care of ur house very nicely and clean .. they case no problem at all ..

before that i rent it to one of the chinese couple .. they r OK .. just not as good as the korean ..

call me racist or what, i have bad experience in rentint out my unit to malay Crying or Very sad

i can understand why the owner always put 'for chinese / expat only' for their ad !!

kusing · PJNet Newbie Joined: Sep 03, 2008 Posts: 19

you got a point adrian_1981,but u cannot evaluate the whole group just because few individual doing this mess..take me as example,hehehe..i pay rent on time n eventhough im just renting the room,i clean n mop the whole house..

sumtimes if i order in pizza,i share it with my housemate..cool na??guess if adrian rented his house to me,he wil have better opinion towardz local.not all expat are up to satisfaction u know..things are the way u take it..peace always.. Wink

smartringgit · PJNet Starter Joined: Jun 09, 2008 Posts: 65

After away, this still open for discussion. Very Happy

Renting a property be it room, house, shoplot, or factory...the owner has all the right TO CHOOSE...be it race preference, age preference or even gender preference.

So...what is there to discuss...so if is rejected..so accept it an find another option. Is very much like a relationship, does separation of a relationship need to have any reason? Let alone a business transaction. No...is the answer.

Language preference is by all MEANS is important to some Land Lord/Lady...because he/she want to have tenant (ie. companion) to communicate better. Otherwise, why you speak to you parents or grandparents with your mother tongue...why not English...bcos is for ease of communication. Also different language has different slang...ehhh also different jokes...or even curse... Laughing

Like I said, we don't look at simple INDIVIDUAL PREFERENCE as racist...otherwise...there is no peace in the country. A racist is more than that...we have seen it lately Smile

Cool...and turn to another source if you are rejected of rental... Laughing

humanfly · Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:07 pm Post subject:

at times when renting out room or apartment is because of race or etc. Is call preference.. they prefer to rent out their unit to a certain race. And this does not mean they are racist. Maybe due to their bad experience previously makes them to think twice whether to rent out to that particular race. You might not know that the previous owner did gives them a lot of trouble.

Also at pencapchew mention that people do get mixed up between religion and race. Some chinese family prefer to rent out their room to chinese only for some reason i.e. to the food (pork) they eat in their house, the religion and also communication.

If still believe that is a mutual respect among house tenants.
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h20mysticshadow · PJNet Junior Joined: Sep 05, 2008 Posts: 323

Well it is really hard when there's a discrimination. This is the world we are living is full of discrimination. Sad to say. Can't we just get along? But we know that it is impossible.
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smartringgit · PJNet Starter Joined: Jun 09, 2008 Posts: 65

I received a PM which I hope the original sender doesn't mind or would not sue me for putting it public... Laughing

sender: belinda8980
an advertisement is an invitation to treat, not an invitation to offer Very Happy

heh heh studied a bit of contract law
just thought i'd let u know
u're not a lawyer, are u? Embarassed

I am not a lawyer by profession, otherwise I would not explain so much w/o any $$$, Wink

But I also studied a unit of law.

This advetisement eventually would lead to a binding of Landlord/Tenant Agreement or Rental Agreement...so I do not agree that it is a mere Inviation to Treat but it is actually an Invitation of Offer. Cool

You do not trust my words...see below: Laughing

Please see the attached links. In sum, according to Richard's Law of Contracts, an offer is an expression of a willingness to contract on certain terms made with the intention that a binding agreement will exist once the offer is accepted. If an individual is not willing to implement terms, but merely seeking to initiate negotiations, this is not an offer but an "invitation to treat".
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_difference_between_an_offer_and_an_invitation_to_treat

As per the Halsbury's Laws of England. an offer is an expression by one person or group of persons, or by agents on his behalf, made to another, of his willingness to be bound to a contract with that other on terms either certain or capable of being rendered certain. [Halsbury's Laws of England- Para.632]
An invitation to offer, on the other hand, may also be called an invitation to treat (as it is, under English Law) and merely indicates the interest of one party to enter into negotiations and is by no means supposed to form a binding contract. [Halsbury's Laws of England- Para.633]
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Difference_between_offer_and_invitation_to_offer_is

You satisfied with the explanation Belinda, maybe need to study more than 'a bit' Embarassed

By the way Belinda, if you want criticise or complement a posting in public forum, do it public and not PM. Not unless you want to ask me out then PM lah Razz

Allan · PJNet Junior Joined: Jul 01, 2005 Posts: 566

Generally, invitation of offer means seller wans to sell something and promotes the offer by using advertisement so that the buyer would get invited or noticed. But it doesn't mean the buyer must buy the thing the seller promotes. The buyer can initiate to negotiate for the offer since it is an invitation of offer. Smile

in this case i agree with smartringgit more.. good point buddy.

Belinda has the point too but not near enough to advertisement(invitation of offer) in here..

In this case So 1 for smartringgit. Smile

You win!

I guess maybe belinda is refering more to tender advertisement or job advertisement? Maybe? I'm not sure also.

Invitation of offer and invitation of treat has the same base , but just in different situation. That's why confusion may arise.

Allan · PJNet Junior Joined: Jul 01, 2005 Posts: 566

if i'm not mistaken, invitation of treat is more to where a buyer is offering to buy something by using advertisement so that the seller is invited to propose or bargain to get the deal. Am i right?

If i'm right doesn't that sounds like a tender? or an employer hiring an employee?

huh.. hmm.. very confusing

Some articles i read, it mentions that auction is also an invitation of treat. Where they sell things and buyer is invited to offer the highest price to get the thing. Smile

Allan · PJNet Junior Joined: Jul 01, 2005 Posts: 566

Anyway smartringgit, i don't agree with the term racist you gave to jasmine.

She was just frustated, meeting the wrong person. that's all eventho' i do not agree with what she said Smile

I like your explanation but not the racist part Smile

belinda8980 · PJNet Starter Joined: Mar 01, 2008 Posts: 32

fair enough. i'm more of an English Law person, and the Englishman delights himself by using technical legal terms. An invitation to offer is probably a better term for the layman to use. by the way, i didn't know that it was rude to send a PM like that. sorry! no other forummers have complained b4.. shall tread lightly in the face of smartringgit